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[–] mustyOrange 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Spez on Christian (Apollo dev)

His “joke” is the least of our issues. His behavior and communications with us has been all over the place—saying one thing to us while saying something completely different externally; recording and leaking a private phone call—to the point where I don’t know how we could do business with him.

Spez is a fucking joke

[–] zarquon@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago

I loved the commentary on that exchange from hackernews.

""" fwlr 8 minutes ago | prev | next [–]

The rule that you shouldn’t build your business on someone else’s API obviously applies here and in the end Reddit is of course justified in choosing to shut out third party apps. But I must say it is simply hilarious that their exorbitant new price was so absurd that when devs quoted it back to them as a buyout rate, Reddit felt like they were being blackmailed. I mean that’s literally getting offended at your own number. """

He's right. If you think the golden goose lays $x/yr and the guy offers it at $.5x and it offends you, you've got a problem with yourself.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What an asshole. Still trying to ruin iamthatis.

For fuck's sake dude, sorry that you wanted to only quietly out that you're an asshole and he made sure we all know what a giant, gaping asshole you are.

WHEN I AM AN ASSHOLE I HAVE THE EXPECTATION THAT OTHER PEOPLE KEEP IT PRIVATE

[–] BackOnMyBS@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

spez is a straight up narcissist that uses the same playbook as the rest. it's so evident with the gaslighting, blame-shifting, and smear campaign. at this point, anything he says should be understood to be a tactical play in gaining control by seeming powerful, "on your side," or requiring pity as a victim. his mind is deranged, so he has no other capacity.

Positive is the overwhelming number of people not falling for it and calling him out on it. It's amazing, doesn't matter politics, religion, sexual identity, everyone is fully united in saying "fuck spez"

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Check the response from /u/iamthatis. Absolutely savage.

[–] PunsNRoses@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Spez comes off as a narcissistic little pissbaby. Blaming the apps/devs that made Reddit what it is, rather than actually looking at ways to make the site better for everyone.

[–] BackOnMyBS@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Blame-shifting is a tenet of narcissism. They can't be grandiose and entitled without it.

https://youtu.be/1fluM1nVxh4

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[–] Outsider@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He then answered a question on the Apollo dev situation and my god, he just dug the hole deeper. He has no idea the public perception of him and reddit at the moment, and then he continues to slander the Apollo dev with no facts or anything to back up that Apollo dev did anything wrong.

For NBA fans, he's got some real Steve Kerr energy there too, more concerned about the recording of the call than anything else, like when the video of Draymond punching Poole came out.

[–] bigbox@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is making our switch to Lemmy feel quite justified, isn't it? Although even if Reddit was still in good shape I think the potential of a decentralized platform is much better. I probably would have migrated here whether this shitstorm happened or not.

[–] Ryobee 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Unfortunately we may just be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. The developers (and moderators of this instance) are unapologetic authoritarians, and on their own instance they ban people for criticizing authoritarian governments. Take a look at this post from their own reddit account in regards to Tiananmen Square.

I want the fediverse to succeed. I love the idea of a less centrally-controlled approach to social media, because we've all seen the problems that can create. But I'm worried that the influence of authoritarian-leaning developers could be a serious problem.

[–] Geometric7792@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Why would that be a serious problem? The code is open and it can be hosted by anyone. The moderators of a single instance are nearly meaningless to a federated system. That's the whole point.

To put it another way, what problems do you think the devs being tankies might cause?

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[–] primalmotion@lemmy.antisocial.ly 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's an AMABIWAA (Ask Me Anything, But I Won't Answer Anything)

[–] lemillionsocks 9 points 1 year ago

Just like most high profile AMA's on reddit. But yeah it's pretty obvious theres a lot of money to be made here and as a mouthpiece for this company they arent going to give a lot of straight answers. Honestly I'm not sure why theyre even bothering with an AMA instead of just an announcement addressing concerns but they want to keep the reddit image I guess.

That image is dead and buried and has been since the site became one of the biggest on the web but what are you gunna do.

[–] untilyouarrived@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You can tell that he is absolutely furious at the attention that Apollo has gotten.

Mad, mad props to Apollo's dev for being so transparent about it. Guaranteed they thought they could bully him into staying quiet about it and then closing up shop. He told them to pound sand and controlled the narrative. That man needs to do documentaries or reporting. Meticulous, knew how to talk to a crowd, and not afraid of corporations bullying him.

[–] HrBingR 5 points 1 year ago

Dude is super bitter.

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[–] wagesof@links.wageoffsite.com 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If he has any lawyers or a wife or anyone who has any investment in reddit getting an IPO they should tackle him and take the keyboard away.

Good lord, he's got a steam shovel and is gonna break into the mantle from the hole he's digging.

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[–] nick_99@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

Man, I'm gonna miss reddit, but Lemmy seems pretty awesome so far.

[–] theory@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mentioned lemmy and got shadowbanned

[–] Anon125@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago

Haha pathetic. Let's see if that also works for me.

[–] Slartibartfast 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

10 mins in, one answer which has -119 score...

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[–] beto@lemmy.studio 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So glad I deleted my account yesterday.

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[–] density@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

wow, there are >13000 comments and /u/spez has made 12, all very brief. He didn't even have any canned answers ready.

And to be fair the other admins linked in the top post have about 6 comments between them.

[–] OptimsticDolphin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I can't say I am surprised, it is probably in their best interests to not tell people too much

[–] Geometric7792@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a terrible AMA lol. I'm not surprised but it's still somehow worse than I imagined it would be.

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[–] untilyouarrived@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can tell that he is absolutely furious at the attention that Apollo has gotten.

[–] HrBingR@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah he seems incredibly bitter.

[–] OptimsticDolphin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"We’ll continue to be profit-driven until profits arrive. Unlike some of the 3P apps, we are not profitable."

Almost understandable but did they really think this was the way to put it?

[–] density@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

"I am bad at my job"

oooohhkkkkay

[–] perkele@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a skill issue, Mr. CEO

[–] zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He really sounds like 'fuck it I'll just improvise and get this shit over with' from his answers.

[–] iNeedScissors67@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This guy is such a weasel, holy shit. He comes off as incredibly bitter.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You just know every comment is being vetted by legal, marketing, and PR. Coward. Can't say anything without corporate double speak

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[–] Spellblade@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

He just answered a question about their accessibility issues with basically "oh we're working on it". Come the fuck on dude that shit needed to be in place before you did all this and to be frank reddit's got a history of lying about that stuff too.

[–] lackthought@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

even worse than I expected, somehow

[–] bouncing@partizle.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Almost 20 minutes in, and he's written 3 responses, each about a paragraph.

I'm guessing it's not going well.

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[–] lemillionsocks 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Kinda wish the peanut gallery would stop posting a little bit. Like a little engagement is one thing but this literally already has more than 2,000 posts in 20 minutes of people piling on and going "uhuh!" "yeah!" "HE WONT DO IT!" "He hasnt answered to this complicated post yet".

Like it's so much noise that when and if he does inevitably reply to things it will be buried.

Also why are people celebrating the big questions by giving them reddit gold and awards? Doesnt that cost real money? I dont see the sense in going

"Yeah screw reddit! You tell this lying dirtbag!" and then giving reddit a few bucks so a little icon appears next to their name

[–] Two9A@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'll admit to a little shitposting in the AMA thread to be fair, but mostly to promote Fediverse alternatives where people are asking where they can go.

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anyone noticing slowdowns and timeouts? Overloaded? Or slowing access?

[–] ag_roberston_author 8 points 1 year ago

Probably just thousands of angry Redditors accessing the thread at once.

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[–] wagesof@links.wageoffsite.com 6 points 1 year ago

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I love it when idiots stab themselves in the face and set themselves on fire!

[–] Patman21@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

You would think given the community, they would want to toss at least a dozen staff on this, and have prepared answers to most of the questions.

Spez looks incredibly out of touch with this ama.

[–] zarquon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm shocked spez gave redreader a shout out as still trying to work with them.

That's an other dev (quantumbadger) I would expect to be honest with his community. He'd been pretty vocal in earlier updates that he wasn't going to be able to pay them at any price since his app is FOSS and distributed as source.

Curious what his next update will say.

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[–] Motecuhzoma@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

This is definitely one of the AMA's of all time lmao

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