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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Imagine thinking toxic masculinity is a bigger problem for this issue than beef/dairy subsidies and entrenched market forces. Nice distraction piece, NPR.

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I honestly believe the two are related. I think big meat agro business is paying influencers to promote toxic masculinity and push nonsense like "plants emit toxic hormones" on social media.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago

Maybe, but that's just to keep demand anywhere near high enough to consume the products that subsidies ensure they will be producing anyways, so they can argue that the current subsidies are necessary.

[–] I_am_10_squirrels 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

tl;dr because of toxic masculinity

It's macho to eat lots of red meat, get high cholesterol, and die early from heart disease.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah, how about "fish is expensive and chicken is unethical"? Meanwhile, beef is subsidized all to hell, and NPR is focused on the wrong issue. We're long past the point where it looks like they are just running interference for industries that don't want to change.

Men who refuse to acknowlege there is a problem with beef aren't the ones having a problem with attempting to eat less of it. Its market forces all the way down; Less available and/or more expensive beef is what it will take to wean the die-hards.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fish very often costs less than beef does.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not here in the midwestern US, nor when/where I was growing up on the Southern California coast. Where are you that fish is ever, let alone often cheaper than beef?

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

Pacific Northwest.

[–] memfree 8 points 2 months ago

Not all Americans eat beef equally, data shows. Last year, Rose and his colleagues published a study looking at U.S. government data of the diets of more than 10,000 Americans. They found that on a given day, 12% of Americans account for half of all beef consumption. That 12% was disproportionately men.

I'm confused by this because I want it to mean the same 12% all the time, but I suspect they mean that it is a different 12% from one day to the next.

“Many men do reduce their meat consumption or are willing to,” says Joel Ginn, food and psychology researcher at Boston College, “but there are hurdles that they've had to overcome.”

Manly men advertising meat -- and Joe Rogan??? I guess all kinds of guys what to be oh so manly, but when I think of macho men, he's just not on that list.

Seeing someone in your close personal circle, or celebrities like athletes, make a behavior change can be an important piece of the puzzle, says Daniel Rosenfeld, psychology and food researcher at UCLA. “The way to get some people to eat less meat is to get other people to eat less meat,” he says.

Personally, both myself and my better half enjoy the newer fake meat burgers. They really are a satisfying way to get a 'manly' burger.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

My only care is that cow meat tastes damned good. KC strip steaks, smoked brisket, and hamburger in its many forms.

If it can taste like that, then I almost don't care where it comes from.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

this is warmed-over poore-nemecek 2018. that's the primary basis for the claims about the climate, but the methodology of that study is fucked, and it's a disservice to actual climate science to keep touting this meta"study" that misuses its source material and myopically focuses on distilling data instead of understanding the complexity of our agricultural systems. the textile industry's water use, land use, and emissions, i guarantee, are being counted in poore-nemecek as emissions from beef. i didn't pull out the data from the separate reference to water use, but i will eat my hat if that doesn't, as well.

eating less beef has not been effective at stopping the growth of the beef industry for all the people who have done so. we need a real solution, and trying to influence individual consumer choice isn't working.

edit: down voting doesn't change the truth