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Friend who is not a software person sent me this tweet, which amused me as it did them. They asked if "runk" was real, which I assume not.

But what are some good examples of real ones like this? xz became famous for the hack of course, so i then read a bit about how important this compression algorithm is/was.

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[–] ParadeDuGrotesque@lemmy.sdf.org 189 points 3 months ago (4 children)

There is a guy named Arthur David Olson who maintains a small database of all the time zones in the world, including things like leap seconds and such. It's used by everybody and it is updated several times a year. See here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database

If we could all just stop making changes to time zones, that would make my job very slightly easier.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 25 points 3 months ago

I bet he's paid nothing to do it. Then one day, when a timing attack happens that can be traced to the DB, some knobhead CTOs and tech influencers will start talking about "securing the supply chain". They'll want other such bullshit and responsibilities to be shoved unto volunteers.

Two quotes come to mind "Fuck you, pay me" and "Open source maintainers owe you nothing".

Anti Commercial-AI license

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[–] dosse91@lemmy.trippy.pizza 93 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'd say ffmpeg is a good example, it's used by almost every piece of software that has to manipulate audio or video (including messaging applications), yet not many people know about its existance.

[–] Fred@programming.dev 49 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And Fabrice Bellard, the original author of ffmpeg, went on to create qemu which pretty much made open-source virtualization possible. Also TCC (even if I don't think that one is widely used), he established a world record for computing decimals of Pi using a single machine that had ~2000× less FLOPS than the previous record, and so much more...

[–] grozzle@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago

Fabric Bellard's body of work is fairly strong evidence for time travel having happened already.

Or just genius.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 82 points 3 months ago (3 children)

NTP is the one that comes to mind for me.

Basically every device uses it and until fairly recently was maintained by a single person

[–] radix@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago

Network Time Protocol? Cool, didn't know that!

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[–] zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.dev 69 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm surprised that no one seems to have brought up curl, which is maintained by Daniel Stenberg who is Just Some Guy™

[–] beveradb@lemm.ee 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Eh, bagder is more than "just some guy" to a lot of people! To me he's kinda been my tech idol for 20 years lol, he also was a core part of building Rockbox (open source firmware for MP3 players) which was the first open source project I got seriously involved in as a kid ☺️

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"Just some guy" doesn't mean they aren't amazing. I would argue the opposite. It just means they didn't use their abilities to become rich and famous like some other assholes. They're almost certainly more capable than them, not less.

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[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Idk who needs to know this, but in Norwegian "runke" means to jerk off. "runk" is the word you add a prefix to in conjugation to get the different inflections

  • runke - jerk off
  • runker - jerking off
  • runket - jerked off

Etc...

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

also the swedish meme subreddit is called r/unket

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[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hi, I'm a Finn. We also have a variation of this.

Ronald's Universal Number Kounter sounds like someone did it on purpose.

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[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 58 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Based on my cheatsheet, GNU Coreutils, sed, awk, ImageMagick, exiftool, jdupes, rsync, jq, par2, parallel, tar and xz utils are examples of commands that I frequently use but whose developers I don't believe receive any significant cashflow despite the huge benefit they provide to software developers. The last one was basically taken over in by a nation-state hacking team until the subtle backdoor for OpenSSH was found in 2024-03 by some Microsoft guy not doing his assigned job.

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 57 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Furthermore, "RUNK" was originally made in the 1980s to take over from a program written on punch cards in the 1960s. Finally, it's missing some important functions that the original 60s program had because "RUNK"s developer doesn't see the purpose of those functions and refuses to add them; and no one has publically released a fork of "RUNK" that adds those functions back in, so you have to do it yourself. Thank God it's open source.

Edit: oh yeah, and back in 2005 there was an effort to make a GUI for it, but "RUNK's" sole developer got mad because "back in the 80s we didn't need GUIs; command line is infinitely faster" and kept intentionally breaking support for the GUI with each bug fix, leading to the project eventually being abandoned.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

that really sounds like a case where someone ultimately says "fuck you, runk's developer". why didn't that happen?

[–] Corbin@programming.dev 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because frankly, Ronald (the current maintainer, not the original author) is very competent. I say this as somebody who has personally been yelled at by Ronald at a kernel summit; I didn't deserve it, but none of his technical points were wrong. I like to think of myself as the kind of person that, given enough time and documentation, can maintain anything; I think it'd still take three of me to do Ronald's job. (Well, "job." I think he technically works for Red Hat or something?) Not to excuse his conduct, just to explain why he's not been replaced yet.

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Wait if it stands for Ronald's Universal Number Kounter, does that mean both the creator and current maintainer are named Ronald? Is it a dread pirate kinda deal where whoever holds the hat takes the name?

[–] dbilitated@aussie.zone 8 points 3 months ago

it's a case where he knows a guy just like Ronald but he's not naming him, so he's just talking about "Ronald"

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[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 53 points 3 months ago (1 children)

core-js (whose maintainer is also a bit picky about and probably doesn't understand the OSS process) Phil Katz, the guy who invented .zip. To this day, every .zip file contains his initials in hexadecmial. His story is incredibly interesting.

[–] Pyro@programming.dev 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The core-js story always makes me sad. Sure, he's developing an open source project and no one HAS to pay him. But the meager amount of donations and the tons of hate he receives isn't justifiable.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 3 months ago

It's especially sadder when a substantial amount of the donations vanished when Open Collective and others stopped operating to Russians.

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[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I nominate Paul Eggert and Arthur Olson before him, for the tz database, which we all depend upon whenever the time at which something happens (or did or will happen) matters.

Edit: Tom Scott touches on the subject here.

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[–] runeko@programming.dev 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much every basic terminal command for linux. Grep is the one that comes to mind.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The modern man uses ripgrep 👍

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

But it's three more letters. No deal.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Its going installed binary is rg.

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[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What does that offer offer grep/egrep

[–] riskable@programming.dev 16 points 3 months ago

Speed and memory efficiency, mostly. If you ever have to grep for something in a large number of files ripgrep will be done while regular grep will only be reaching the 25% mark.

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[–] Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I believe the quintessential example is curl Also here's the relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2347/

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[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Git, by Linus? Maybe even linux itself? Ok actually Linus might just be Steve Wozniak without an annoying Steve Jobs guy next to him, while actually being a lot bigger than Apple maybe?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's really hard to imagine a world without Git. If it hadn't been invented I think it would have been necessary to create it it's one of those things that's hard to imagine and then impossible to work out how you can survive without it.

Yet the vast majority of the world probably don't even know what it is, and wouldn't even understand it if it was explained to them.

[–] NotAnonymousAtAll@feddit.org 10 points 3 months ago

It's not like there was nothing at all in that space before git came along, e.g. we had svn before, and mercurial more or less in parallel.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak are the classic example. Jobs has some technical skill, but not a lot. He's the "ideas guy" that all other "ideas guy" try to be. I don't have a lot of respect for the "idea guy"; Jobs was a manipulative narcissist, and he should not be emulated.

Woz, OTOH, is an absolute genius, and one of the most genuinely nice people you'll ever meet. Apple made him enough money that he can do whatever he wanted with his life, and what he wanted was to do cool things with computers and pull harmless pranks.

Bill Gates had Steve Ballmer and Paul Allen. That was more of a collaboration. They all had some level of technical and business skill mixed together. It wasn't quite the complementary skillset we see with Jobs and Woz. A lot of Microsoft's success was being in the right place at the right time to make the right deal.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A lot of Microsoft's success was being in the right place at the right time to make the right deal.

It was also having friends on the IBM board that signed a contract that didn't make any commercial sense....

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[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Is-even and is-odd on npm.

For a while, openssl was maintained by 1 or 2 people.

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 21 points 3 months ago

The popularity of these two packages shows that something is very wrong with JavaScript.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

TIL Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are half guys.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They prefer to be called Hobbits.

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[–] kia@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Although it's now a larger organization, Redis was started and maintained by some guy that just wanted to make his website faster. It's very widely deployed.

[–] ReversalHatchery 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that something that was basically taken over by corporate people?

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[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's okay you can just say FFmpeg

Also Linux

Also CoreJS

Also

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[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

How does one go about finding these people and make sure they don't end up like the dude that maintains slackware?

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[–] s_s@lemmy.one 10 points 3 months ago

GNU readline is a library that handles text input

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 3 months ago

Huh... My dad is a software engineer and his name is Ronald. He also secured several software patents when he worked for a big chip wafer manufacturer. He might actually be the Ronald in this meme... 🤔

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 months ago
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