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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 2 months ago

Working forty-plus hours a week plus commute and domestic responsibilities keeps us from civic awareness.

It also keeps us from parenting and has since the start of the industrial age. So the madness (the family dysfunction and mental illness) is intergenerational.

We're all mad here.

[–] DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think making us purchase happy, while indeed very beneficial to the owning class, is still just a side effect (E: of the length of the work day, not capitalism in general) to the real reason (and why the 8 hour work day is a compromise people had to fight, and die, for) - keeping us tired and hungry (and not only for indulgence) and at risk of losing it all if we don't go to work tomorrow keeps us from having the time, energy, and community (because capitalism encourages crab mentality) to organise and revolt against them, and their oppressive systems.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have worked less than 40 hours a week (and more as well).

My entertainment spending in both scenarios says this is complete horsecrap.

[–] yum@lemmy.eco.br 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

During Covid times I had the chance to work 6 hours a day (for the same pay) and boy did things change in everyone's life. People were clearly happier and more productive. Even my then manager agreed that it allowed for a significant improvement in work/life balance.

Unsurprisingly, everything went back to normal when it was over.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago

My big realization over the years working from home (both pre and post pandemic), with teams in differen time zones and with different types of workdays is that there just isn't a single best answer. Things change person to person as well as over time.

But yeah, working fewer hours a week honestly didn't impact productivity much at all, and moving the hours from a single chunk to mostly working at the right times for each type of task made things more sustainable. You can't always be flexible about this on every position, but when you can I genuinely think it can get you to where you want to go faster and more reliably to be loose and align with specific needs.

[–] toddestan@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

When covid hit they cut my hours to 32 a week. They wouldn't let us do a four day work week which was kind of lame, but instead we got four 7-hour days then a 4-hour half-day on Friday. It doesn't sound like a lot but even an extra hour in the evenings and an early start to the weekend turned out to be really refreshing. When things went back to normal, I asked if I could keep that schedule even with the 20% pay cut, but they said no.

Unfortunately, it seems that there simply aren't a lot of white collar type office jobs where you can work for less than the standard 40 hours a week while keeping the same hourly rate and similar benefits.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think it also depends on where you are in life. Way back when I was single, living along and with little to no responsibilities doing 40 hours wasn't an issue. I would wake up at 6, hit the gym, do 8 hours of work, pickup takeaway, eat and then I pretty much have the rest of the day free (minus the occasional chore).

I lived close to work so daily commute time was 1 hour, gym and takeaway places were on the route. Add in 1 hour in the gym and after work, commute and gym I still had 6 hours of free time with 8 hours of sleep.

Now I do 32 hours a week and I don't commute, but I have a family. Even with reduced workload I get 2-3 hours of personal time. ~1 hour comes from reduced workload and 1 hour comes from less sleep and the last hour comes from not hitting the gym. If I lived like I used to I'd have no free time and I'd have to make even more compromises about my time just to have some personal time. And let's face it, working remotely means I definitely don't spend the entire 6 or 6.5 hours on work. I have so many other responsibilities that doing less work is absolutely having an impact on my life and well-being.

I can't fathom how people with families can do full 40 hours and find time to spend with their kids and find time to for self. I think they probably don't find all that time. I think they're compromising where they can and that mostly happens with themselves and their children, work is not compromised.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

Look, I'm happy for you, but I've never had it in me to do any of that. Single, young, whatever. I had the energy to stop for a drink on the way back home, at best. On a good day.

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Definitely. I'm currently living the dream. Four day work week with about twenty hours a week actual work. My wife and I own and run the place, so no overseers. I have enough money and free time to indulge hobbies, spend a lot of time with my daughter, and hit the gym five times a week. I'm probably the happiest, middle-aged person I know.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's great, dude. I'm happy you're not chained to a desk and just scraping by.

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago
[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This does sound a bit conspiracy-ish, but they do have a point. Whether it's intentional or not is debatable, but it sure is convenient for corpos

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I would recommend a leisurely reading of Amusing Ourselves to Death (PDF) by Neil Postman

Amusing Ourselves to Death Wikipedia page

And just for fun (on the topic of conspiracy and psychological manipulation): The US mil/gov has been using memes and meme culture since AT LEAST 2009 as psyop

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD1052398.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetic_warfare

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

I quit work at 35 because of some of this, first job at 17 in the first week, I wondered at the hell this would be when I was 65... that and near death experience that made me realise what was important to me. Am now 58.

My only regret was not quitting work earlier, it's hard to work against the herd though.