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I just can’t find a decent email client that looks like it’s from the last 20 years. Geary and Evolution both appear to be pretty modern but something about using Gmail with a Yubikey just doesn’t work and neither of them will connect to my account. Both on Fedora and OpenSUSE. Thunderbird works but it’s so old fashioned and Betterbird doesn’t look much better. What’s everyone else using?

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[–] Sunny@slrpnk.net 70 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thunderbird all the way 🙌

[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I have used Thunderbird for years. HOWEVER:

  • I don't know why Thunderbird can't get a reliable, functional search ability. It's such garbage. I constantly have to delete my entire search index and start from scratch, it is immensely frustrating.
  • The problems connecting to gmail are also so frustrating. Yes, they are Google's fault but if you make an e-mail client you maybe need to add a workaround for the world's most popular e-mail provider. It's totally fixable because you can apply those fixes manually.
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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird for desktop computer, K-9 mail for mobile phone.

[–] Deebster@programming.dev 18 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird on desktop, although I don't love it.

FairEmail on Android.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What do you find "old-fashioned" about Thunderbird? Do you not consider an interface "new" if they don't change it and hide all the common features every five minutes like Microsoft does? It's an email client, you read your emails in it. How would you do it better?

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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird had a redesign not too long ago. I mean, maybe you still consider it old-fashioned, but did you check you're on the latest version?

[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird. It's great

I am not sure how to make it look shitty like Gmail, maybe you could theme it to wast a ton of space.

Seriously, do you want a useful email client or not?

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thunderbird is fine.

Maybe I have too much grey in my beard - I don't care how modern it looks.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nah it has nothing to do with your beard colour.

I like it a lot and I'm almost as old or as young as Thunderbird is.

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[–] Penguincoder 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Old school here, I use mutt. :P on android I use FairEmail and really like it.

[–] dan@upvote.au 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

FairEmail is great! One of the best email clients I've ever used.

It started struggling a bit with a large mailbox though, so I switched to K9 Mail (which I've heard will eventually become Thunderbird for Android)

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 months ago

Why is Thunderbird old? It recently had a major redo and was rebranded with the supernova branding. Try the flatpak version.

[–] AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thunderbird with the conversations add-on. It's a game-changer that makes it much easier to transition from Gmail.

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[–] callyral@pawb.social 12 points 4 months ago

I use Thunderbird and I don't think it looks old, specially after recent updates. You can also change the colors which is pretty cool.

[–] apoisel@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 4 months ago
[–] JRepin@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago (5 children)
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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Thunderbird. Idk what you mean by old fashioned. It works fine, and you can style it with gtk themes.

On Android I use K-9 Mail, which looks modern to me.

I mean everyone has their preferences, but personally I don't use email clients because I want to look at something pretty—I use them to read my emails. Thunderbird mostly matching my gtk theme is more than enough for me.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

I just use Protonmail's web client. Fast, sleek, similar polish to gmail imo.

For an actual desktop client, Thunderbird with Dark Reader addon and some tweaks for theming.

Honestly though, I just prefer the web client from Proton, it's really nice.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 months ago

Honestly there isn't a good one, Thunderbird is as close as it gets but it's buggy with things like CardDAV and it's slow.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird. It's familiar to me and I like the calendar too.

[–] thingsiplay 5 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Thunderbird. I even use it as my RSS feed reader. The only problem it has is it does not have any tray icon to indicate new unread mails (I wrote my own program for this). They are working on a tray menu, if I'm not mistaken. I have 5 mail accounts from different providers. Backing up is easy, and on a new OS installation I just need to copy over the entire directory and its like I never left my system (same for Firefox).

[–] Frederic 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I cannot believe I used xbiff in the 80s to know when I had a new email, and in 2024 the most well known and old thunderbird does not...

[–] palordrolap@kbin.run 5 points 4 months ago

xbiff was usually watching a file - your mailbox - on the mainframe, which would have been updated by the mail server daemon. Heck, it could be set to watch any file to see when it updated.

Basically, you could still use xbiff if you emulate that setup using your own local mail server as a proxy. (And you're using a GUI that supports it. No idea if Wayland does.)

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[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Am I the only one using Evolution here? I really like everything about it. All in one, simple, responaive.

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[–] KotFlinte@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] banazir@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

After Thunderbird's UI overhaul I jumped around a bit and landed on Claws Mail. It's fairly old fashioned, but I personally prefer that and find it clear and logical. It's a good client.

[–] perishthethought@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

Tuta's web client.

It gets the job done and I don't use email much any more.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Claws-Mail is still alive and well and works great. Lots of plugins, you can write your own post processing actions, custom powerful filters, customizable interface etc.

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[–] morgin@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

i fear your best bet really is just using thunderbird or a fork of it and messing with themes.

I did have the same reaction on my first instal of thunderbird but after customizing it a bit i’ve come to like it

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird on Fedora Kinoite and GrapheneOS ;) even though the Android version is still named K-9, based on Android Mail and waaaay smaller.

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Betterbird, a Thunderbird fork and I installed it from AUR repo but it has a flatpak version too

[–] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird. Being on Plasma, I would use Kontact / KMail but it randomly refuses to send emails for me.

[–] hiker@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

K-9 on Android and Evolution on Ubuntu (Thunderbird is installed, too).

[–] Cube6392 4 points 4 months ago

Thunderbird and K-9 (which will soon be Thunderbird mobile). I'm not a Thunderbird Stan or anything, but I was running into issues with Claws, Seamonkey, and Fairmail

[–] wolf@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago

Using Evolution for nearly a decade now.

Cannot say anything about using it with a Yubikey.

Concerning Evolution: It never let me down, always worked and is comparatively lightweight.

Thunderbird was quite slow/heavy/memory hungry many years back. KMail ate my emails, failed at integration of GMail accounts etc etc etc. In the past I also liked Sylpheed, but AFAIK it doesn't have any OAUTH support etc. by now.

When nothing big changes, I guess only Thunderbird and Evolution are good investments, because they seem to be the only clients which are stable now and have enough users/active developers to not disappear randomly.

[–] ProtonBadger@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

I'm lazy - just gmail pinned in a tab on my browser on my Linux desktop, the browser is always open anyway. Default mail client on iOS/iPadOS.

I've used Thunderbird in the past. The redesign was nice but it's still a bit cludgy to use somehow, compared to gmail web.

[–] mrtomich@tldr.ar 3 points 4 months ago

Don't know if this has been said but you are not supposed to use the yubikey on your mail client. Google recommends you use an application password for email clients. As someone who has 5 yubikeys for different services I know this sounds unsafe but is the only way I've been able to use some of the mail programs with Google. The other option would be to enable another 2fa (maybe auth codes with Yubico Authenticator) and use that on the mail programs.

For Google I ended up using web client and fido2 (and another yubikey as backup and another as auth code generator) and my work requires Outlook but they also ask me to change passwords each month and input them on different platforms that don't support f2 and that breaks a few things for me so I opted for Yubico Auth and use my yubikey instead of Microsoft Authenticator or Google Authenticator.

[–] bbbhltz 3 points 4 months ago

I use super boring Claws Mail for my personal email. I handle my contacts with Khard and calendars with Khal.

I don't use a Yubikey though.

[–] redxef@feddit.de 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Evolution, Thunderbird and KMail, depending on the system. Though I've had only trouble with Thunderbird and gpg signing with a yubikey. The others just work.

On Android I'm using FairMail.

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[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Trying to get the hang of meli on my laptop & K-9 on (unGoogled) Android

[–] captainnapalm83@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess the question is, why do you need a client? I find most web interfaces to be sufficient, you can enable browser notifications, create an "app" so that it's in a stand-alone window, etc.

As another comment said, I just use the Proton web interface.

[–] thingsiplay 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess the question is, why do you need a client? I find most web interfaces to be sufficient

Clients like Thunderbird download the mails for a local copy. That means, you can a) read and search your mails offline, b) backup all mails. That's not all. Such a client also: c) allows a unified interface to all different mail accounts from different providers in one view, d) better integration into your system, such as tray icons for notifications.

Everyone does their thing, so not saying you are doing it wrong, just giving you reasons to use an offline mail client; as you asked why.

[–] captainnapalm83@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

Those are all totally fair considerations, just not requirements in my workflow. I'm coming at it from a personal use case, where I don't need offline access to my personal email, and I only have one email account to check (my Gmail is forwarded to my Proton mail).

My question was more to lead OP down the requirements gathering path, to evaluate their actual needs and if a client is actually required or if it's more of a "nice to have".

Thanks for laying out some of those advantages to a client though. Every user has their own needs and if offline access, multiple accounts, consistent UI, etc. are desired, then a client is certainly a great option.

[–] Combateye@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Proton web and Android app

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[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Betterbird (Thunderbird fork) for pc, K-9 for phone.

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[–] sylphio@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

mu4e+mbsync+msmtp

[–] gerdesj@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Evolution. It works with MS Exchange.

I have an elderly and rather unloved Gmail account for testing and spam reception only and a couple of Yubi keys so I'll see what I can do with them. I probably ought to use the Gmail account more but I'm concerned that Google will kill it off 8) I got it when the G stood for gigabyte because everyone else set quotas in the 10s or low 100s of megabytes. "Do no evil" Google were as cool as fuck but that was a long time ago. Sad really.

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