Asklemmy

Swede here, in general thw Swedes are very law abiding, there are plenty of laws and regulations that carries no punnishment, but they are still followed.

When I need to speak with say the tax authority, I call the general customer service number, and adopt a persona of positivity and friendlyness, I speak to them as a coworker that I need help from, this is simply because we are both trying to solve the issue.

When talking to my manager at work or even the CEO, we talk like coworkers, we joke, talk about the weekend and lunch recommendations. I know they are my managers, they know that I know that as well, there is no need to keep enforcing it in our day to day tasks.

Talking to Police is done politely and relaxed, I have never been mistreated, though I am white and clearly Swedish who lives a quiet life.

I'm from the Netherlands so I can give you my perspective of what it's like here. Cultures are complex and nuanced so I hope I'm able to explain it, and of course it is only my own view.

People here openly flaunt authority. But it isn't really something you do, it's something you are. It's just natural and even expected of you. People also don't tend to mince words and will often tell you what they think. It's not rude, it's a sign of respect to be forward.

Since I work internationally that can sometimes lead to interesting situations. In their culture it might be final when a boss says what should be done. For me it is completely natural to say it makes no sense and we should continue the meeting or reconvene later.

Politeness is not really much of a concept here. If you are being polite you'll run into misunderstandings with people. They'll full on simply not understand what you are talking about if you're being indirect.

We have formal and casual pronouns. If you use the formal ones, almost everyone will stop you. It will make them uncomfortable. Even if the relation is professional.

Talking to say a dentist or cop feels like talking to family you don't know so well. I once called the cops and she calmed me in a motherly way and then shared her business ideas for my business and told me she'd come visit with her entire family that weekend.

Bosses are an interesting topic. Everyone will pretend like everyone is equal, but of course the boss still secretly has control, and politics are a thing.

I'm not into Dutch politics but I know the prime minister rides a bicycle to work and I don't think he has a security detail.

Anyway, that's the general feeling I get, but of course people come in all shapes and sizes just like anywhere else.

Also I wanted to say that afaik the Indian classes were supercharged by the British. Perhaps because of their own class structure or perhaps to divide and conquer. That might be something interesting to look into.

I watched Malcolm X starring Denzel Washington last night. He talks a lot about how a history of oppression creates a mental slavery in the victims, and that the mental servitude must be overcome to stand a chance at being truly an equal.

Maybe you should give it a watch and see if it speaks to you too. It didn’t inform me of how to fix all the problems in the world, but it definitely gave me a lot to think about when it comes to addressing the problems in yourself so you can be an example for the world.

You are correct. This is indeed a thing (though typically when the authority figure is right in front of one's face), but I have noticed it a lot less in zoomers. On a similar note, the Indian Police Act and, rather, law enforcement as a whole needs to be reformed and worked heavily upon so the laws sincerely get executed and implemented (maybe then the people won't be as intimidated).

It changes over extended time spans on the order of generations, and I might say it's cyclical but it's hard to see in a given lifetime.

In the early 1900s USA people where held at the absolute mercy of the wealthy, working long hours in wretched conditions for a pittance.

During and shortly after the WW1 & WW2 there was a massive push for unity and worker rights, the unions took shape and the working class took a large chunk of power away from the owners to better their standing.

In the 50s-70s there was a time of keeping pace with the neighbors, competitive but also concerned with the well-being of your fellow people.

Then from the 80s through early 2000s it switched and became a hyper individualistic 'I got mine' mindset.

In the last couple decades we've started to see a return to a push for collective good, but it has been held back a lot by a heavily divided population with half blaming the other half for the decay of society while those with means just sit back and watch the sniping from afar.

I've only been around for those last couple portions so a lot of my perspective is just my impressions from history books, but I guess the point I'd make is to look at the ebb and flow of things in historical context. People's willingness to defer to power is both personal and couched in the willingness of society to support the individual.

Ain't nobody laid on their death bed thinking they should have "respected" some clown more.

These "authority figures" would not piss on you if you were on fire. So why give them any satisfaction? Same thing with wealthy worship. Why do people do it? It ain't like they will give you money lol

If you are in situation as such employment, jail house rules apply. Ain't jack shit anyone can do about it. Best for them to know your name besides "that person can get X done well"

Just another job.

Influenced by how it is handled in this country.

We Americans tend to like authority but distrust authority figures we don't already agree with.

My culture isn't really homogenous when it comes to an outlook on authority figures. Not that I can speak for anyone aside from myself. For me, it depends on the authority figure. Where do they derive their authority from?

Police I can get along with, but I'm not going to obey them just because they're police. Police follow a mishmash of rules handed to them by governors whose rule is built on lies and theft or destruction, that is, their predecessors knocked out previous entities through war and revolution and they are a continuation of that. So any obedience I give to a governor is a gift. This is often contrasted with admins whose superiors are said to have crafted the entity they rule over with their own mind and hands and without deception, and I follow them unconditionally unless jurisdiction becomes an issue.