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I miss the days of VHS and DVD shelfs in homes, for example. If you bought the tapes and had them in your home, no corporate entity could alter those tapes without your consent, monitor how many times you watch them, sell your data to whomever they please without your knowledge, roll out new mandatory conditions to a 'user agreement,' or remove them from your library if/when they like.

I noticed some dumb change in how Dictionary definitions are shown in the Spotlight (ie, overall search my computer function) in MacOS this week. I've turned off all auto-updates, and I didn't make that change or consent to it. But despite paying the full price all by myself for this machine, I clearly don't have 100% control over it. It seems very clearly to me that consumers having control and privacy over their Internet-connected devices is a bygone era.

After Blizzard, the video game company, replaced copies of Warcraft 3 that I and others had paid for in full and installed on our computers that we could play without connecting to the Internet with a lower-quality copy that prohibited offline play - I swore I'd never pay for a video game again*, and 3 years later I haven't backslid on that. I felt so angry, cheated, and robbed by that. (*Edit: my criticism and frustration is really more with larger developers/companies/creators - I appreciate and am happy to support smaller, more independent and libre ones.)

Many people probably won't be bothered by these things, but I am. I don't want to pay full price for something that I don't truly own. I miss the familiarity. I miss the reliability. I miss feeling like it's mine. Dependable. Trustworthy.

Picking my old guitar up again has never looked so appealing. I think I want to go back to investing more time, money, and energy into things that aren't connected to the internet

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[–] cherry@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pirated content is yours forever

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 31 points 4 months ago

So true. As others have remarked on here, entshittification really changes the calculus of "is piracy worth it?"

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Reject the temptations of short term convenience and adopt sustainable consumption.

Demand ownership of goods. Demand offline-first.

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You can get games on gog, it let's you download the game files and play it with no DRM and no launcher.

And for the os part it sounds like you want Linux.

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I appreciate the rec's! I did check out gog a bit a month or so ago and thought it did look refreshingly different

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yeah gog is cool, also, if you do want to have your OS do the things you want it to do, you should use linux, i could help you switch if you do decide to

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thank you very much, kind Lemmy! I think it makes sense for me to postpone that a bit due to other things going on at the moment. But it was really helpful to vent and to hear words of empathy and support from people like you :)

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

sounds good, hope you have a good day!

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

Thanks, Blisterexe - you too :)

[–] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Buy CD’s and DvDs. Check if a game has DRM before buying it (or just buy from GoG where DRM is banned). Run some flavor of Linux.

[–] mbfalzar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But if you buy from GOG, make sure it doesn't have DRM, because GOG has been selling a few games that have DRM for a few years now

[–] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oof I haven’t heard of this. That’s like the whole selling point of GoG. What games have DRM?

[–] mbfalzar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1

This is a pretty maintained list, and even if I disagree with the inclusion of some things because all you're missing is cosmetics, it is pretty easy to argue that "complete game offline" should include all content of that game, so I'm not gonna start a fight about it

[–] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Yeah I see the argument that any content behind an internet connection is DRM, but I think that stance is a bit extreme.

There are a handful of real problems on that list, but it’s like 3/20.

It’s important to maintain this list and call them out though. If I can’t expect GoG games to be DRM free I might as well just use Steam where plenty of games are still DRM free but other features of the platform are a bit better.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

DEFCON - Linux: Game contacts a key verification server as described here. Win and Mac have offline executables that skip the verification. But under Linux there is no DRM-free offline executable.

I find this sort of funny.

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[–] Tick_Dracy@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Thanks for sharing. I (wrongly) assumed all games were entirely 100% DRM free.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Yes it's a pain ... but it's because your are considering a state compared to an ideal state, e.g feeling trapped with devices you don't trust versus running in an empty field. It's simplistic and it's not now versus then. Instead consider where you were, where you are now, and how it is a succession of decisions. Nobody forced you to buy a smartphone. Nobody forced you to install a chat app made by an ad company. Nobody forced you to have a free email.

Instead, for years, you made terrible decisions and now you are "waking up" to it and it sucks.

How do I know? Well, I did the same.

I even felt terrible about it and it felt impossible to change. I also discovered the concept of learned helplessness. How I was convinced that not only it was bad but I could do nothing about it.

Then I changed. I made a ProtonMail account (which I paid for, still am), moved my data from GMail. In fact I downloaded ALL my data from Google, and moved away from it, e.g from YouTube I installed on my own server PeerTube. I warned family, friends and colleagues I wasn't using WhatsApp anymore but they could reach me with email, SMS, phone, Signal, Telegram, Matrix, etc. I then deleted Instagram, WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.

I could go on but hopefully you get the idea : it sucked, I realized it sucks, I tried to change, it was hard requiring a lot of effort but, step by step, I removed a lot (not all!) of those terrible behaviors from my life.

TL;DR move away from learned helplessness by DOING things, taking a single step in the right direction makes a world of difference.

[–] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My university forced me to have a free email through microsoft. They also forced me to other privacy-invasive services and store my coursework on insecure servers. Sure, I could refuse to go to college and get a degree, but the reality is that if someone doesn't participate in higher education, or own a smartphone, or avoids any newer car that spies on you (at least in most of the US), being part of society and life in general is more difficult.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Indeed which is why I was honest saying "it was hard requiring a lot of effort but, step by step, I removed a lot (not all!) of those terrible behaviors from my life." (bold added)

Namely I don't even aim for perfection, just pragmatism. I have to use Windows at work (sometimes) and I hate it. Still, I do my very best to compartmentalize, namely I do not install such work related tools on my personal or even professional computers or phones.

In your specific case I would argue that have the free email from Microsoft but not using it for anything else and deleting it as soon as it's not absolutely needed is an acceptable compromise. I would also do my best to understand what "leaks" via this email or how you use it. Anyway my overall point being to be pragmatic because perfection leads to inaction.

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[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago

Many people probably won’t be bothered by these things, but I am. I don’t want to pay full price for something that I don’t truly own. I miss the familiarity. I miss the reliability. I miss feeling like it’s mine. Dependable. Trustworthy.

Picking my old guitar up again has never looked so appealing. I think I want to go back to investing more time, money, and energy into things that aren’t connected to the internet

Upvoted.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They're not gone, you just have to be more selective.

First, many of us have turned to piracy for this reason. I don't like piracy. I don't want to steal. But I will if they don't provide me with a legitimate and respectful purchase process.

I miss the days of VHS and DVD

You can still buy whatever you want on Blu-Ray.

I've turned off all auto-updates, and I didn't make that change or consent to it.

Bit of a double-edged sword there. Mac can make improvements and they can make things worse. The difference is often a matter of personal preference.

I have much bigger axes to grind with Apple, but I digress. Yes the overarching theme is "control" that Apple wants to maintain.

I clearly don't have 100% control over it.

Linux gives you all the control you could ever want.

replaced copies of Warcraft 3 that I and others had paid for in full and installed on our computers that we could play without connecting to the Internet

Pirate it. You have every right, far as I'm concerned.

I think I want to go back to investing more time, money, and energy into things that aren't connected to the internet

WHY DON'T YOU WANT PERSONALIZED ADVERTISEMENTS?

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Piracy isn't stealing, that's just internalized corporate propaganda. No one should feel guilty about piracy, if anything be proud! Not only are you contributing to the preservation of media in an increasingly disposable age, but it also frees up your disposable income so you can actually donate it directly to independent content creators instead of sending it into the coffers of a faceless multinational.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Everything you just said is bullshit entitlement

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Please, explain to me why piracy is in any way morally or ethically wrong?

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

If you really need me to explain it, there's no hope for you. Even a child understands why stealing is bad.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

Oh, sorry, I meant software or media piracy, not, like, actual piracy.

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (10 children)

What would a child say if they were asked whether they would steal a loaf of bread to feed their starving family if they had no other way of saving them? What would you say? Does context matter in moral judgements?

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[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

I think I'm more or less with @verdigris. I'd get behind the position that most large corporations have bent the rules of society so much to their favour and accrued so much wealth at the expense of ordinary people that we don't owe them anything at this point. I got mad respect for the independent creators. But I feel there's no moral transgression with streaming a pirated show vis-a-vis the corporations missing out on making a few bucks from that, to use a example. It's not black and white; actors and others salaries are important and related. But those "you wouldn't steal a car, so why are you trying to a CD/DVD?" ads were clearly corporate propaganda, as another example

[–] DeaDvey@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The only things I'd feel guilty pirating are small indie pieces of media.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Even then, if you don't have the desire or means to pay for it, it's not a "lost sale". If you're well off, yes, please support indie creators, but even a pirated indie title can lead to more sales of that title through word of mouth.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hey Choom, privacy, security and the ability to be in control is worth fighting for.

I hate how short term profits ruin good things for everyone but stakeholders. But there are independent developers, musicians, creator in generel or those who sell their stuff DRM free. Those actual humans are worth supporting and following.

Also having a hobby, like learning and or playing guitar, besides computing seems like a really good ide.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

If some piece of media is unavailable without DRM/Internet connection - feel free to pirate it.

Often times, this is the only way to restore control over your media. And it's a sign that we're only able to tolerate it so far.

Then, your pirated media can be placed wherever you like - and taken offline if you want to.

Also, Linux is your best friend. No, seriously. No one proposes to insert any form of DRM in there, and everyone is free to fork unwanted changes, so it never has to come. You decide what you want.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Yep. And I'd argue it's an almost ethical responsibility for those aware of all this to preserve a media archive via piracy. Sort of like those monks that would repeatedly copy old scrolls before they would degrade or whatever.

[–] xilona@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well said!

"Many people probably won't be bothered by these things, but I am."

You are not alone! There are still many knowledgeable people who understand what you mentioned.

Thank you for bringing up this topic!

Enjoy playing the guitar! 🙂

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I understand and relate to how you feel and I hope these changes feel positive to you and not forced. Please remember that these values do not have to be absolutist in their implementation and that there is a place for "hypocrisy". No human is perfect and it's okay to make concessions if you are struggling with a complete lifestyle transformation. Too often I see people start down this path of full on zealotry only to rubber-band weeks or months later because it was just too difficult for them to maintain that level of commitment to whatever their cause was. Instead of readjusting to find a better balance, they give up entirely and then feel really miserable about the experience because it seems like the things they valued in life were completely unattainable. This is all just a long way of saying take care of yourself on the journey.

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

Great advice, thank you!! What you said applies to me quite a bit

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For the Spotlight issue, was this certainly a local change without consent, or was it a change in the way the query is processed on Apple's servers?

There is functionally no difference but it's a big philosphical difference.

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

It's a little beyond me, but I was under the impression that the dictionary lookup feature is purely local. Saying that out loud I'm now not so sure lol

[–] GlenRambo@jlai.lu 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just looked up some of the latest Movies. You can still get DVDs of that's what you want. Even in a store with cash.

Is that what you want?

How are you leaning guitar? YouTube, apps, enshitification sites full of ads? Or buying a book?

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago

It's fine. Connectivity allows subscription services, but doesn't necessitate them. It's a power to connect your machine to those of other people in many parts of the world.

It's like starting to do your dishes in time because of the cockroach problem. Perfectly normal going "underground" when the cockroaches have occupied the kitchen and make laws there.

[–] adonkeystomple@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This same sentiment is what’s driven me to pirating all the movies and tv shows I own. I want total control over the things I’ve bought and paid for with my money. I also think this is crucial for the preservation of media.

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

GOG game releases are nice for that feeling I guess or they were in the past maybe it enshittificated too

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