this post was submitted on 17 Feb 2024
61 points (100.0% liked)

Transfem

141 readers
2 users here now

A community for transfeminine people and experiences.

This is a supportive community for all transfeminine or questioning people. Anyone is welcome to participate in this community but disrupting the safety of this space for trans feminine people is unacceptable and will result in moderator action.

Debate surrounding transgender rights or acceptance will result in an immediate ban.

Posters may express that they are looking for responses and support from groups with certain experiences (eg. trans people, trans people with supportive parents, trans parents.). Please respect those requests and be mindful that your experience may differ from others here.

To make such a request, at the start of the body of your post, not in the title, the first line should look like the this: [Requesting Engagement from _________]

Some helpful links:

Support Hotlines:

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
61
[rant] Casual acceptance of "othering", transphobia, discrimination (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/mtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone
7 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

I guess most of us deal with this at some point:

The thought occurred to me, I want to take self-defense classes. So I'm thinking, well those may be segregated by gender, so I'll just join the men's group to avoid making a scene, stirring up tensions. Even though my body, mannerisms, clothing, is indicative of a woman. I don't pass all the time, but I'm getting much closer.

But I was willing to be casually misgendered, to be othered, to accept less than what I'm fighting for every day (recognition, equality), so other people wouldn't feel uncomfortable.

How is that OK?

I feel like it's a common issue for all minorities. Stay out of the way, try to fit in, deny your identity, settle for less. You'll be safe, you'll survive. For what?

Is this the reality I'm risking everything for?

When I vacationed with my partner, I deliberately chose porta-potties and unisex bathrooms. Nobody told me too, I wasn't forced. But what if a "Karen" blew up at me and caused a scene in the women's bathroom? It could ruin my whole day, it could put me in danger...

When do I stop settling for less than my true identity, when do I stop giving in to internalized transphobia?

When do we stop deferring to the hypothetical concerns of other people, and assert our own rights and concerns?

It's funny because transphobes like to portray us all as radical activists who enjoy making scenes and partake in unhinged rants over pronouns or some shit.

Yet every trans person I have ever met is gentle, often frightened as hell, and goes out of their way to avoid triggering the phobes or causing a scene -- even at the expense of intense dysphoria, self-misgendering, accepting discrimination

Mostly? We want to be invisible, ignored, free to live in peace.

I don't want to be the trans woman among men, or the trans woman among women. I simply want to be a woman. Not othered, not segregated, not pitied, not patronized, not accommodated.

I can't control what other people think, but I can control my own thoughts and actions. Maybe we can't achieve equality until we think and act like equals, and refuse to accept anything less.

top 7 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not trans, but I sympathise. Just a heads up from an outside perspective. Even your language has some of that internalizes transphobia.

You say I don't want to be a trans woman. I simply want to be a woman.

You are a woman. Likely you always were and always will be l. Transitioning is just affirming that, not changing your gender.

As a cis person, when I read that you want to be a woman, it means to me you don't consider yourself one. I'm not trying to create drama for you, but trying, poorly, to point out how you can start affirming yourself more in your language.

Collectively, for all of us, it makes sense to not bow to societal pressure and to be our true selves, always. However, as you point out, it's not always safe to do that, so individually, we need to practice caution. Over time, hopefully individually and as a society, there is increasing acceptance. Same sex marriage is just made legal in Greece, for instance. I now will travel there with my family openly. Previously I might not.

[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ha you found it. I considered rephrasing that, but was lazy and left it as-is.

What I meant was I want to be seen as a woman in other people's eyes. The same way they see a cis woman.

But yes, it is a significant difference to talk about gender in terms of becoming or desiring vs what we already are. Here is my current relationship with these terms:

  • I am a woman (gender, internal).
  • I want to be seen as a woman (gender/sex, external).
  • I am transitioning from male-dominant behaviors and appearance to female-dominant (transgender/transsex, external).
  • I am increasingly perceived as a woman (gender/sex, external).

It's complicated. Part of me is the activist, proud and defiant, waving a flag and yelling "trans rights!" The other part would opt for peaceful assimilation into cisgender society, if that were ever truly possible.

[–] LassCalibur 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yes indeed! You might wish to look into the idea of double consciousness, the dual self-perception experienced by subordinated or colonized groups in an oppressive society. Its a sense of attempting to perceive yourself as both who you know yourself to be and as an oppressive other will perceive you. If you want to smash that noise then you need to learn to stop being ashamed of yourself!

Also, you definitely should be taking the self-defense class appropriate to your gender as violence is very often gendered. There's a podcast episode of The Gender Rebels about one trans women's experience taking Krav Maga you might want to give a listen.

Good luck and take care :)

[–] xilliah 6 points 9 months ago

🙏🏻

[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago

Excellent! I knew there was something there, but I lacked the terminology. I will definitely research this more, thanks.

And a podcast called The Gender Rebels? Heck yeah! <3

[–] cowboycrustation@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is so relatable. I do this especially around family because I desperately don't want to be judged and talked about (but it happens anyway).

[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago

Thanks for reading and commenting, dude <3 I really should have posted this on the all-gender trans community, because it applies to most of us (not only transfems). Oh well, I'm subbed now so I'll try to be active there too!