this post was submitted on 10 Aug 2023
7 points (100.0% liked)

Asklemmy

1454 readers
67 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy ๐Ÿ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[โ€“] shawnshitshow@sopuli.xyz 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)

despite what "free speech" absolutists would like to believe, the vast majority of the world does not wish to tolerate hate, racism, and bigotry. refusing to accept these is not suppression, it's maintaining healthy and welcoming communities.

it's no different than swimming pools having a basic "no shitting in the pool" policy. if you want to shit in the pool, you are going to have to go swim with others that are ok with swimming in shitty water.

with that said, I hear exploding-heads may be what you're looking for

[โ€“] five@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"

I personally believe that a community that support free speech is going to be healthier on the long run than one that doesn't.

exploding-heads seem to have rules against not being authentic, trolling and slurs

[โ€“] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You should read about the paradox of tolerance and why free speech should be limited to what doesn't hurt or limit others' access to freedom.
Being able to trash talk minorities (completely random example obviously) is not free speech, it's hate speech that will ultimately devolve into atrocities.

Also, please share the kind of things that you think should be allowed without naming them (in full details like "racist slurs", or "calls to violence against a minority", or "cryptoscams") , I think it could be interesting.

[โ€“] five@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 1 year ago

Censorship is also a gateway to disasters and history is filled with examples. I cannot read french but i can understand that your instance has rules against trolling. I have been accused of being a troll by some in this thread so if i was in your instance i could technically have been censored.

[โ€“] cnnrduncan 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Their rule agains slurs obviously isn't enforced considering it's full of anti-trans slurs and "jokes" about trans folk killing themselves.

Do you really think that a community that's full of nothing but hate and amazing posts like "why do women disrespect or avoid nice guys and go for the players and bad boys" is gonna be healthier long-term than one that fosters respectful discussion?

[โ€“] five@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Censorship doesn't promote discussion, it goes against it. I'm not looking for a community where only hate is allowed, i'm looking for instances that support free speech.

[โ€“] cnnrduncan 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Allowing hate also kills discussion - I don't see particularly many trans users joining in with the "fun" over on exploding heads, for example.

Every single "free speech" website ends up turning into a hateful circlejerky echo chamber where discussion that doesn't align with the agenda is shut down hard.

[โ€“] mortrek@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

That's the irony. "Free speech" platforms are some of the most locked-down, censored places.

load more comments (4 replies)