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I've been very cynical about the TikTok ban, and assumed people would work around it by sideloading the APK on Android phones, after it was removed from the app stores (which, as I detailed in this comment, could theoretically get random users who share the APK with friends prosecuted by the federal government and charged with a $5000 per user fine)
but this is exceeding my wildest expectations
"oh, but it's full of Chinese propaganda!!!" people will whine. cool. don't care. Twitter and Facebook are full of American propaganda, no one seems to be falling over themselves to ban those apps from app stores.
if propaganda is the concern, have schools teach critical thinking and how to recognize propaganda techniques. they won't do that, of course, because they want people to be susceptible to American propaganda.
haha class solidarity go brrr. the average American worker has more in common with the average Chinese worker than they do with an American oligarch. all of the American propaganda about how Chinese people are inherently untrustworthy and nefarious is gonna fall apart as people interact with actual Chinese people and realize "oh they're pretty much just like me, other than the language barrier".
and TikTok-style shortform video is very nearly the ideal medium for surmounting that language barrier. it was already commonplace to have captions in TikTok videos. start captioning videos on RedNote in both English and Chinese and bang, language differences don't matter nearly as much anymore.
Not that I care about TikTok one way or another, but one of the best arguments I've seen against banning it dealt with supposed protection of Americans' data. And I'm pretty sure that's the approach that lawmakers have taken with this; it's not that Chinese propaganda is bad, it's that China shouldn't have this much private info on Americans. I believe that's the primary angle they've taken to get around First Amendment concerns.
Anyway, the argument is, "Oh, but it's OK for US tech companies to harvest data? That's it's OK that we have weak privacy and data protection laws? As long as US companies are doing it, then it's not a problem?" Because, remember the laws says that the company becomes "unavailable" in the US if not sold to an American company. Presumably, if TikTok were sold to a US company, then the app could continue with no issue, tracking and collecting tons of data on Americans to be packaged and sold to the highest bidders.
I will admit, I was somewhat more pro-ban before hearing that argument. But now I'm more neutral. I don't use it, so I'm not/shouldn't be affected. But the government trying to hide behind data privacy and protection to ban TikTok does feel rather empty.
well, sometimes...I linked in this comment to some statements made by the Republican congressman who sponsored the original bill. he was pretty clear that he wanted the ban because he thinks TikTok is pushing propaganda, not just from the Chinese, but the Chinese Communist Party (which has been a long-standing right-wing bogeyman - that congressman was even the chair of the "House Select Committee on the CCP")
this is true, in the same way that Trump in his first campaign promised a "Muslim ban" and then when they tried to actually implement it they realized they needed to frame it as a "travel ban...applying to countries that happen to have a lot of Muslims...oh and also North Korea because look at us, we're definitely not discriminating against people based solely on religion"
everyone (except the right-wing hacks on the Supreme Court) saw through the "travel ban" facade pretty easily. it's been disappointing to see how many people uncritically repeat "well, there's a data privacy angle to it too..." as if it's a legitimate justification and not just another facade.